Real Truth is consistent with objective reality. Teachings that require you to first discard the evidence of your senses and the evidence of history are bound to be flawed.
Nathan Natas
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My Encounter with a Witness
by Unclepenn1 inwell, the other night i had invited a young man to my house to share with him, respectfully, the false prophecies of the wt, using older wt books.
the conversation started very nicely, with the usual small talk and such.
i decided to ask some questions, that i knew the answers to, but just wanted to get the gears in his head turning.
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Cult Fighters are short sighted fools
by proplog2 inthe anti-cultists are narrow minded and uninformed to say the least.. you see a lot of this here.
it is mostly a cover for irrational hatred.
most religions organized in a way that they expected their members to take their beliefs seriously.
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Nathan Natas
I am opposed to cults. I am also opposed to huffing gasoline vapor.
Both are destructive to the brain and both rob a person of his ability to make the most of his potential.
I think your appeal on the basis of diversity is flawed - who benefits by having more morons and imbeciles - sideshows, perhaps?
Life seeks it's fulfillment. To stunt life and call it "diversity" is to oppose life.
"I wish to see, and I mean this most sincerely, I wish to see the last King strangled with the guts of the last Priest." - Voltaire
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"Authoritarian True Believers"
by Nathan Natas ini'd like to share a commentary by david kelley.
objectivism is the philosophy developed by ayn rand.. what other nihilists can we think of?
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Nathan Natas
I'd like to share a commentary by David Kelley. Objectivism is the philosophy developed by Ayn Rand.
What other nihilists can we think of? Hmmm...
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by David Kelley, Executive Director, The Objectivist Center
A commentary from the Navigator Special: The Assault on Civilization
Most of us still find it impossible to grasp the destruction of the World Trade Center. It was real, we
saw it, but it does not belong in any reality we can understand. We saw the airliners, full of people who
might have been us, streak incomprehensibly toward the walls of steel and glass. We saw them morph
into fireballs that trapped thousands of people, working at their desks on a routine morning, in an
inferno that killed most of them. We saw the shimmering towers collapse, and the towers of volcanic
smoke that rose to take their place in the New York skyline. The images have been imprinted on our
minds, never to be forgotten, but they will not compute.In that sense, the terrorists succeeded. They have rocked our sense of reality. They have confronted us
with a horror we could not have imagined, and may never assimilate. But they have also revealed, for
everyone to see, the real nature of their cause. The assault is being described as an act of war against
America, and it is. But unlike the Pentagon, the World Trade Center had no military significance.
Unlike the White House--which the fourth, unsuccessful plane had apparently targeted--it had no
political significance for U.S. policy in the Middle East, or anywhere else. The attack on the twin
towers cannot be seen as an effort, even a twisted effort, to redress the grievances of people who feel
dispossessed. It was an act of sheer destruction, for the sake of destruction.With rare unity, Americans have grasped that this was an assault on their values, and it was. The
buildings were obviously chosen as symbolic targets. But the values are not uniquely American, or
even uniquely Western. They are the values of civilized life anywhere. This was an assault on
civilization as such.When it was built in 1973, the World Trade Center was an engineering marvel, innovative in structural
design and in the construction techniques invented to erect the towers on that site. Though larger,
taller structures have since been erected, New Yorkers were justly proud of these towering symbols of
technical, industrial audacity.The buildings' tenants were a cross-section of a productive economy: insurance companies, engineers,
banks and investment houses, law firms, educators, employment agencies, construction companies,
travel agencies. The tenants included great names in American finance--Morgan Stanley, Bank of
America, Lehman Brothers. They included Empire Health Choice, which provides health insurance and
medical services to millions of people in New York State. Dow Jones, one of the world's great
publishing companies, had offices in the South Tower. The top floors of the North Tower housed the
transmitting facilities for the major broadcasters in New York. Fuji Bank of Japan occupied three floors,
and scores of businesses from other countries had offices in the building. Befitting its name and the
intent of the builders, it was a crossroads of international commerce, a symbol not only of wealth but of
trade as the civilized mode of human interaction."World trade means world peace," said the chief architect, Minoru Yamasaki. "The World Trade Center
buildings in New York had a bigger purpose than just to provide room for tenants. The World Trade
Center is a living symbol of man's dedication to world peace. …The World Trade Center should,
because of its importance, become a representation of man's belief in humanity, his need for individual
dignity, his beliefs in the cooperation of men, and through cooperation, his ability to find greatness."These towers became landmark of the skyline of New York City, which has always been a powerful
symbol in its own right, a beacon of freedom and opportunity. From the Statue of Liberty to the Empire
State Building, that skyline was forged from the melting pot where the best in man is refined from the
accidents of race and nationality. In Ayn Rand's Fountainhead, the famous novel of a New York
architect, one character says that when he sees the city, "I feel that if a war came to threaten this, I
would like to throw myself into space, over the city, and protect these buildings with my body." Many
of us wished we could have done just that when we saw the towers finally crumple and collapse.Technology, achievement, trade, law, peace, freedom—these were the values under attack. They are
not American values but human values, the values of civilized life.Though it is not yet known for certain which particular terrorist band committed the atrocity, we have
every reason to believe they sprang from a fanatical subculture of Islamic fundamentalism. But our
enemy is not Islam, which created one of the world's great civilizations, nor is it the Arab or Iranian or
Afghani peoples. Our enemy is the nihilism of this subculture.The terrorist leaders claim to speak for Palestinians. But the grievances of that people, even if
legitimate, cannot explain the motivation for this act, much less justify it. The terrorists claim to speak
for the victims of Western imperialism. But any literal imperialism is a thing of the past, long since
redressed by the wealth that Europe and America have showered on these countries. It is clearly not
the military or political power but the cultural power of the West that they resent.What makes them denounce America as the great Satan is nothing as superficial as Coca-Cola or
blue jeans. It is our secular culture of freedom, reason, and the pursuit of happiness. They hate our
individualism; what they want is an authoritarian society where thought and behavior are controlled by
true believers. They hate capitalism as a system of trade, production, innovation, and progress; what
they want is a return to a primitive mode of existence from which these "materialist" aspirations have
been banished. They hate the political system of individual rights, the rule of law, and secular
government; what they want is a tribal society ruled by command.The nihilist subculture is a worldwide phenomenon. We see it in the Japanese Aum Shinrikyo sect that
released poison gas in the Tokyo subways. We see it in the hate-filled eyes of Christian killers in
Northern Ireland. We see it in the eco-terrorists who spike trees and blow up electrical transmission
towers. We see it in less murderous forms in the anti-globalization protesters who want to stifle
international trade. We see it in the theorists of primitivism from Jean-Jacques Rousseau to the
Unabomber.Civilization has always attracted parasites who wanted to steal wealth from those who produce it. But
this phenomenon is different. The nihilists do not seek wealth for themselves. They want to destroy the
wealth of others. They do not seek freedom from domination. They want to abolish freedom. They do
not seek a place at the table of world commerce. They want to smash the table. They do not seek a
better life. They glory in death. They represent the worst form of envy, the most vicious form of human
evil. They hate us not for our sins but for our virtues, and they will not be appeased.The United States and its allies must cease the policy of trying to counter terrorism by negotiation.
Negotiation is an exercise of reason that civilized people use to resolve their differences. We are not
dealing with civilized people. We must cease the policy of excusing their violence by their poverty and
trying to buy them off with subsidies. We are not dealing with people who seek such gain. We must
declare war on the terrorists and use whatever force it takes to render them incapable of posing any
further threat. In the early 1800s, Thomas Jefferson sent the United States navy to rid the Barbary
coast of pirates. We urge President Bush and the Congress to undertake a similar campaign not
merely against the perpetrators of this outrage but against every nest of terrorists who have declared
themselves, by the death and destruction they have wrought, to be enemies of mankind.In doing so, we will be acting in our own self-defense, with the moral authority of those who have been
attacked. But we should understand and declare to the world that we are acting to preserve a world
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Pay any price, bear any burden
by Ustabee inas we as a country and a collection of people begin a process that will surely be painful, dirty and bloody, let us not forget that this nation has been through painful, dirty and bloody processes before.
our fathers and grandfathers fought a war to preserve freedom and democracy.
during that war, dark days were experienced and many, many people lost their lives in the cause of freedom.
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Nathan Natas
I think the concern I have is that in the past 50 years the left, acting through the public school system, may have quite thoroughly performed a "wil-ectomy" on the youth of this country, to the degree that they might prefer to bend their knee in submission rather than fight for the freedom they've inherited from their forefathers. In addition to the "America is BAD; it takes a commune to raise a kid" educational system, we have a HUGE percentage of the male population who were raised by single (or divorced) Moms - who think that manhood is something like Mr. Rogers or Mr. Rambo. Men and women are different, and a man-hating woman cannot raise a man - she can raise an effeminate genteel mockery of a man (and, just to be clear, I am not suggesting "homosexual" - I believe some homosexual men may be more "manly" than these effeminate heterosexuals - and other homosexual men may not).
I've heard the "momma's boy" apologists on radio talk shows already - their "delicate sensibilities" are so "precious" and "superior" to mere mortals such as we -they prefer to be a parasite's feast, believing that their pacifism grants them some kind of metaphysical nobility. The parasite, of course, agrees.
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New Book from Greg Stafford Oct.1, 2001
by stevieb1 inisbn: 0-9659814-2-8. release/shipping date: october 1, 2001. pages: 160, paperback.
table of contents.
first dissertation - prophets and prophecy.
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Who is Greg Stafford? I'd like to buy a clue, Monty.
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Campus Crusade For Cthulhu
by Nathan Natas inplotting the downfall of humanity since before the dawn of time.. http://www.locksley.com/cthulhu/
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Plotting the downfall of humanity since before the dawn of time.
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Ah, yes, Saint, but isn't The Great White North borrowing the new US Army slogan - "Be An Army Of ONE"?
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A little more inside info from Bethel....
by LDH inper my father this morning, they have found and identified the body of one sister, but 14 other jw are still missing.. i said, "dad, there's a lot more than 14 still missing.
silence.. also told me the brothers and sisters on top of the factory saw the second plane hit the south tower, and <<<<gasp>>>>>>> some of the sisters fainted dead away!.
we know how weak these women are anyway, this was no shock to me.
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I wonder if when the sisters fainted the brothers let them hit the floor with a *thud* soas to avoid "inappropriate touching"?
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I was on radio today!
by Kent inhi folks!
i was this weeks guest on the norwegian radio today, in the broadcast for our county.
naturally they wanted to speak to me about many things, other than the jw related stuff, since im also running a small business magazine, and besides that im in fact a private person with my own interests.
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Hi Kent,
If you have an opportunity for a follow-up, it might be useful if you discuss the "Theocratic Strategy of Lying" with your host and the radio audience. If possible, bring hardcopy original publications to show what the WT teaches about the maleability of truth. By establishing that as an organization they will lie to protect 'their interests" I think you will do much to discredit anything that schmuck Furuli might have to say.
Live long and prosper!
"I wish to see, and I mean this most sincerely, I wish to see the last King strangled with the guts of the last Priest." - Voltaire
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You're Anointed? Nooooooooo!
by Englishman ini hear stories that jw's really hate it when someone suddenly claims to be of the "anointed" class.
apparently, such new claims are strongly discouraged.. my jw mum says that the reason for this is that when someone claims to be anointed, it can only mean that they are replacing someone else.
in other words, an anointed person has "fallen away from the truth".
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Amen, SaintSatan!! Bullseye!
The wt doesn't believe its own theology of: faithfuldiscreetslave=governingbody=anointedones. What proves it is that the anointed gb has been rep;aced by nonanointed jws in those 4 new corporations that were formed. If fds=gb=ao was true and believed by wt, they would bring in anointed ones from the different congs to run the wt. Any anointed one at all, to the very least, if he/she is anointed could fill the gb shoes beause he/she is filled with 'jehovahs spirit'.
Either the wt doesn't believe that crock of shit, or they don't have faith in the mt25 fds dogma. Either way, they have abandoned ship.
I agree with MegaDude that the society will be forced to change their teaching - most likely by receiving "New Light" that all the seats upstairs are now filled. They'll continue to celebrate with the vino (hold the veritas) and anyone - ANYONE who partakes will be viewed as disgracing a sacred symbol of the sealed INVISIBLE heavenly class. Would such sacrilege become a disfellowshipping ofense? Of course it would!
"I wish to see, and I mean this most sincerely, I wish to see the last King strangled with the guts of the last Priest." - Voltaire